A&E says there are countless conspiracy theories
about Vince Foster. In fact, there are two, the
truth and the cover-up.
The truth is Vince Foster was involved in an
investigation that led to evidence of criminal
conspiracy in the Los Angeles Police Department.
The federal officer investigating was set-up,
framed and imprisoned. Vince Foster had sworn
that the investigating officer would be pardoned
and the true criminals would be exposed. The two
met the day before Vince Foster died. Vince
confided that day he had received a death threat.
The next day Vince Foster died.
To the best of my knowledge, the investigator
involved has been set-up and busted, much in the
style of the Shadow Government we have seen
numerous times, most overtly in any study
involving the Kennedy assassinations.
Asides from this investigator, Fred Celeni,
years ago Louis Tackwood, in 1972, reported
identical type activities, especially blowing the
whistle on the LAPD involvement in murders and
subsequent frame-ups of Black Panthers under
the auspices of COINTELPRO. The LAPD
Secret Police was dissolved at that time, only to
be reformed under a different name using the same
tactics.
In addition, Mike Rothmiller in his book "L.A.
Secret Police: Inside the LAPD elite spy network"
(ISBN: 0-671-79657-7) details similar and related
criminal activities to those presented here.
Another witness from within the LAPD,
corroborating all these witnesses who also
worked within the LAPD is Mike Levine who
has stated that the drug was is a sham and
further corroborates these tactics, and the
protection by the DEA of those high up in
drug trafficking. He has written two books on
this subject, "Deep Cover" and "The Big White
Lie".
Of course, these type of machinations have
many purposes. Among them was the desire to
send a threat to president Clinton of what could
happen to more of his friends if he did not just
do as he is told. Vince Foster was following up
allegations of criminal activities within the
government. The focus of his investigation was
a topic to be used by the intelligence agencies
to divert the American Public from the
conspiratorial crimes of the Shadow Government
including drug trafficking, collusion with organized
crime, abducting of U.S. citizens to conduct
experiments on, complicity in many assassinations
including that of JFK, BCCI, Iran Contra, Iraq-gate,
October Surprise and all the X-Files type of stuff.
Instead, using the media, the focus would be changed
to gossip about OJ and soap opera trivia and racial
division. Sure enough, it seems after a year of
night and day framing OJ on nationwide TV the goal
was achieved and the news media and public dropped
the ball on the real issues.
The criminals who faked this suicidefeared an
investigation. So, to thwart any investigation, they
started their own cry for an investigation and
claimed Clinton was responsible for the murder.
If they got an investigation, they could use it to
find anything about Clinton's private life that could
be used in the media against him, and they could
be sure no true investigation, only their own, would
ever ensue. If the investigation were quashed, they
would have committed another perfect crime, and
could claim Clinton blocked the investigation and
further their assertions that he was the perpetrator
of the crime.
So they murdered Vince Foster, and A&E has helped
them cover-up the crime. Following is the testimony
which includes the witnessing of the death threat
against Vince Foster the day before he died, and much
more.
Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 11 Num. 98
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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SECRETS OF THE L.A. RIOTS -- PART I
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[Editor's note: Fred Celeni (pronounced suh-LAN-ee) worked as a
federal intelligence agent, he says, for the office of U.S.
Congressman John D. Dingell. Celeni was interviewed for public
access television in Los Angeles, and that interview was later
re-broadcast on Sherman Skolnick's television program,
"Broadsides," in Chicago. Following is my own abbreviated
transcript of Celeni's remarks. (Possible spelling errors exist
and are not noted.)]
FRED CELENI: ...and they asked for identification, and I gave
them a copy of John Dingell's letter introducing me as a member
of this investigative setup, of the Oversight Investigation
Subcommittee.
At that point, they made a telephone call, and two people
entered the room. One of them was known to me: Vincent Foster.
Vincent, in previous operations in Springfield, Illinois, had at
that time become known as "The Rabbi." There was a man with him;
he identified himself as Walter Husting. They told me that he
was a newspaper publisher. And the specifics stand out for two
reasons. I said, one, "Why would a newspaper publisher be in a
room where we're planning a covert intelligence activity?" And
the second thing that bothered me was that I knew I had seen this
guy someplace before.
We conversed for about an hour and some minutes. At that
point I was asked to give Ms. [Betsy] Wright a ride home. I
dropped her off. I'm not sure if that was her house or not, but
it was what we refer to as a "Cape Cod." It wasn't very large.
It wasn't what I expected her to live in, based on her being the
head of Clinton's campaign.
During that meeting, what came up was a plan that the
Oversight Investigation Subcommittee had put together in 1980.
And during that meeting we discussed that plan. And what that
plan basically purported to be was a system to handle
insurrection. Now if you read the title and the first few pages,
you had this feeling it was a report on how to stop insurrection
in a major American city. But as you got further into the plan,
it said, "Now that we have discussed how to cease and desist this
problem, =these= are the factors that could lead to this type of
a riot." What it really was, was 30 pages of blueprint on how to
start a riot: How you would be able to go in and rile up a
community; how you would be able to approach the youth; how you
would infiltrate schools.
Now what they wanted to do was bring forward the idea that
"America has to depend on the government." That they could paint
the Los Angeles police or the Chicago police as racists and
bigots, then everyone would look to the federal government to
come in and be their savior.
INTERVIEWER: When did you learn the true identity of this Walter
Husting?
FRED CELENI: About a month-and-a-half later, I happened to see a
program on television. And they identified the man as being a
key aide on the Clinton staff. And I wasn't positive until I
actually saw him, the night before the election, on television in
Little Rock. That's when I realized it was the same individual.
INTERVIEWER: And who is that?
FRED CELENI: His name's James Carville.
INTERVIEWER: Betsy Wright did not use an alias.
FRED CELENI: No, she did not.
-+- The Al Gore Plan -+-
INTERVIEWER: Now let's fast-forward ahead, to April of 1992.
You're back in Los Angeles and operating this phony law firm, and
"Operation Lasso" was in full-swing. You then had the situation
with Rodney King: the trial of the officers involved in his
beating. You then already had orders to put this inciting into
effect?
FRED CELENI: No. It depended on what happened. If the verdict
had been "guilty," the set of orders on how we were to proceed
would have been totally different. If it had been "guilty," the
orders were, to go out into the white community and, with our
television show and our radio show -- we had a show called
"Investigative Reporter" -- we were to get negative comments;
anti-black comments. If they [the police officers] were =not=
convicted, then we were to do the opposite. That opposite plan
was, to use a modified version of the 1980 Oversight
Investigation plan.
INTERVIEWER: Written by Al Gore.
FRED CELENI: Authored by Al Gore and a couple other people. Al
Gore's name was at the top of it.
And what that plan was, was to go into the black community and
incite that community.
-+- The Rolling 90s -+-
So as the trial started to wind down to the end (about 10 days
before the verdict), it was obvious there was going to be a "not
guilty" verdict.
So what we did was, we started going into the black community
and started contacting the black youth. We concentrated on 3
areas: what we called the Somoan Crip area (the poorer section
of Long Beach); the Rolling 30s, Rolling 60s, Rolling 90s Crips
(which is another black gang); and last, on something called "The
8-Tray Gangster Crips." And we ended up getting the best
response out of the 8-Tray Gangster Crips, of which Damian
Williams and [unclear] Park were the leaders. Damian Williams
was called "Football."
What we started doing was, going in there distributing cash,
crack cocaine, and weapons -- handguns.
When the verdict came down, we had nailed it down to 2 areas.
We cut out the Long Beach Somoans; the Somoan Crips were so
violent that we feared they would explode and it would turn into
something that we didn't want it to turn into. The object was
not to burn down Los Angeles; the object was to create a small
riot in a confined area... a small insurrection.
The Rolling 60s controls 60th street -- all those streets:
sixtieth, sixty-first, sixty-second, etc. The Rolling 90s
control 90th street and all those. The Rolling 30s control
thirtieth street, thirty-first, etc. And then, up in the
high-90s, is where the 8-Tray Gangsters meet.
The day the riot actually started, what happened was, early in
the morning, when they announced a verdict had been reached, we
went to the Los Angeles Police Department and we picked up a
4-door Chevrolet black-and-white unit. It had all the computers
and radios inside, but we were told not to use those; to stay off
the communication channels and to use a portable telephone. We
proceeded from there -- myself, and three black gentlemen: one
was named Anthony; one was named Charles; one was named Shabazz.
INTERVIEWER: Who was your contact at Van Nuys [LAPD precinct],
to get the police car?
FRED CELENI: His name was Nathan Arnold, Jr.
INTERVIEWER: You worked closely with Nathan Arnold for some time.
FRED CELENI: Yes. I worked with Nathan for approximately a year.
INTERVIEWER: He was very aware of the whole operation.
FRED CELENI: In fact so. Nathan is part of the elite
intelligence squad [of LAPD. See the book, *L.A. Secret Police*
by Mike Rothmiller -- ISBN: 0-671-79657-7 -- for further info.]
He's ostensibly assigned as a senior detective to the Van Nuys
narcotics squad. But, underneath it all, you have to understand
that, in the early to late 1980s the Los Angeles Police
Department operated their own CIA. It was called the Los Angeles
Police Department Intelligence Unit. They had to disband that
because of problems. So they surfaced this thing as what they
called a "Metropolitan Task Force."
INTERVIEWER: What was Nathan Arnold, Jr.'s, affiliation with
Mark Fuhrman?
FRED CELENI: There were two other men in the "Lasso" operation
who were assigned by the LAPD. A man by the name of Robert
Vernon was the second-in-command, Los Angeles Police Department.
He's a Deputy Chief. Also brought in were Tom Lange and Mark
Fuhrman. And those three people came from three different units.
But they totally controlled "Lasso" and the area we were working
in.
INTERVIEWER: And they also worked together on drug and sting
operations?
FRED CELENI: Correct. Intelligence operations. You have to
understand that some of them are from homicide -- the reason
being, drugs cross two areas: they either result in death, or
dealing in drugs. And those two areas combine.
Robert Vernon told me... (We had dinner one day at Hamburger
Hamlet in Van Nuys.) Vernon said to me, "I'm putting Tom Lange
into this mix, because Mark Fuhrman and Nathan Arnold are loose
cannons. They're very difficult to control. But Tom's a real,
sincere, nice guy. He can control these people."
INTERVIEWER: Back to the "Lasso" operation, on the day of the
riot, April 1992. You've just picked up the police car in Van
Nuys, and you have three young black... hoodlums, shall we call
them?
FRED CELENI: No, these weren't hoodlums. These three men were
from the El Toro Marine Base, in southern California.
INTERVIEWER: I see. So they were assigned to "Operation Lasso."
And their names again?
FRED CELENI: One was named Anthony. One was named Charles. One
was named Shabazz.
INTERVIEWER: Now you are driving them in an LAPD car on the
afternoon of the verdict. And where do you go?
FRED CELENI: First we went to [unclear]; we were about a block
away, because we were waiting for Nathan Arnold to catch up to
us.
INTERVIEWER: What was in the trunk of your car?
FRED CELENI: We had two automatic weapons, that are called
"Mach-10s." We had approximately two-dozen handguns which did
not contain serial numbers.
INTERVIEWER: And how much ammunition?
FRED CELENI: Oh, I would say probably one clip for each handgun
and one extra.
INTERVIEWER: Any bombs?
FRED CELENI: No. We did have a can of diesel fuel. But we did
not release that from the trunk.
INTERVIEWER: And crack cocaine?
FRED CELENI: Yes, we had quite a bit of crack cocaine. We had
approximately one kilo.
INTERVIEWER: And where did you go?
FRED CELENI: The decision was made to go to Florence and
Normandy, not to Long Beach. We proceeded to a gas station in
the area.
INTERVIEWER: You parked in the back and did what?
FRED CELENI: We unloaded the two boxes, out of the trunk, and
put them on the ground. And I drove out of the lot and parked
nearby.
INTERVIEWER: And at this time you realized that you were being
filmed by a private individual with a video camera.
FRED CELENI: Correct.
INTERVIEWER: (We'll go into him a little later.)
Meanwhile, Shabazz, Anthony and Charles took the boxes of
weapons and crack cocaine to the front of the gas station and
began to dispense the contents, on the street corner. Do you
know of any other, similar operations, going on at that moment,
in order to incite the riots?
FRED CELENI: I had been told there were other operations.
INTERVIEWER: Later, you came back to pick up Charles, Anthony
and Shabazz. How much later?
FRED CELENI: A little over an hour later.
INTERVIEWER: Then where did you take them?
FRED CELENI: We drove a short distance and went to where the
riot had actually started. A woman had been attacked by police.
Her boy and she had been pushed down. They knocked over a fence.
And all of =our= machinations near the gas station (I came to
find out) were nowhere =near= as inciteful as what had happened
by that fence.
SECRETS OF THE L.A. RIOTS -- PART II
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[Editor's note: Fred Celeni (pronounced suh-LAN-ee) worked as a
federal intelligence agent, he says, for the office of U.S.
Congressman John D. Dingell. Celeni was interviewed for public
access television in Los Angeles, and that interview was later
re-broadcast on Sherman Skolnick's television program,
"Broadsides," in Chicago. Following is my own abbreviated
transcript of Celeni's remarks. (Possible spelling errors exist
and are not noted.)]
[...continued...]
-+- Tow Truck Mike -+-
INTERVIEWER: What happened to the black individual, you said,
who was a local resident who happened to be out there with a
video camera? He shot you, sitting in the LAPD car. Can you
tell us what happened?
FRED CELENI: A gentleman pulled up in a tow truck. I came to
find out, later on, that he was called "Tow Truck Mike." And Tow
Truck Mike took a videotape of what was going on; he swung the
camera around and picked me up, sitting, looking out the window
of the [squad] car. He was back, I'd say, 150 feet.
So what I did is, I wrote down the license number and I got on
the telephone. And a couple of hours later, the police invaded
Mike's home. And they took Mike down to the police station --
they took his mother, too... his mother or his father. And they
said to him, "If you don't give us this videotape, your mother
(or father) is never leaving this police station alive."
And so he turned over the tape.
INTERVIEWER: The meeting at the Hamburger Hamlet with Robert
Vernon, the Assistant Chief of Police: Who else was at that
meeting?
FRED CELENI: There were three meetings that took place at that
location. The first meeting was Robert Vernon, Ira Reiner, and
myself. The second meeting was...
INTERVIEWER: Ira Reiner!? The District Attorney?
FRED CELENI: Yes, sir. The District Attorney.
Mr. Reiner wore a baseball hat -- a red baseball hat that
said "Los Angeles" on it. And when we left that first meeting,
he gave me the hat as a souvenir. And I wore it when they taped
me for "Street Stories." "Street Stories" came in when I was
interviewing Damian Williams' mother for my radio show. And when
they taped it for airing... It never aired, because Dingell
ordered it pulled. But the tape still exists, I'm sure, at CBS.
INTERVIEWER: Congressman John Dingell from Michigan ordered it
pulled?
FRED CELENI: Yes, sir.
INTERVIEWER: How did he have this power?
FRED CELENI: He told me that he just called up somebody in New
York City and said that, "=I= =do= =not= =want= Celeni on the
air."
They were there for an hour that day, taping me, at radio
station KIEV in Glendale.
INTERVIEWER: Congressman Dingell actually admitted this to you?
FRED CELENI: Yes, sir. He said, "=I= =do= =not= =want= you on
the air. Somebody might recognize your face. And I can't have
you on the air as 'Fred Sebastian.'"
INTERVIEWER: That was your code name, "Fred Sebastian?"
FRED CELENI: Yes.
INTERVIEWER: What knowledge did Ira Reiner have?
FRED CELENI: Basically what they were doing [at the Hamburger
Hamlet meeting] was internecine warfare. Mr. Reiner said that,
not only was there a wealth of intelligence coming out of
[Operation Lasso], but he felt that he had no control over it.
We had had an incident a couple of months before with the
Sheriff's Department up in Malibu, which almost blew the
operation wide open, and they had to come in and cover it up.
And at that point, Mr. Reiner said that he wanted more-direct
input. So he arranged for one of his murder prosecutors from Van
Nuys to start overseeing the cases. And he also arranged for one
of his former prosecutors to take a job directly at CCLJ.
The Center for Constitutional Law and Justice [CCLJ] was =not=
a store-front law firm. It had a quarter of a floor in an office
building. It had ten attorneys. They had a complete support
staff. They had $100,000 worth of computers and fax machines and
telephone systems. They had sophisticated taping and
surveillance systems. They had a sophisticated electronic entry
system: when you came in, you had to acknowledge that you were
coming into a videotaped and audiotaped area. The *California
Law Magazine* talks about it.
All of the money came from Congress. This is the first time
in the history of the country where you have Congressman John
Dingell running an illegal intelligence operation, and killing
people who are United States citizens.
The fact is, nobody has adequately checked this story out.
And until somebody checks it out, they will continue to get away
with it.
-+- Praying On O.J. Simpson -+-
INTERVIEWER: This leads us to an interesting coalition, of
Nathan Arnold and Mark Fuhrman, on another celebrated case.
SECRETS OF THE L.A. RIOTS -- INTERLUDE
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[Editor's note: I received the following from a reader of
Conspiracy Nation; it gives extra background on supposed
"spontaneous" urban riots.]
Dear Sir,
I have been reading your articles for about a year and a half and
I wish to thank you for the work you are doing. It takes a lot
of courage to do what you are doing, please take care.
The recent article [Secrets of the L.A. Riots] has raised certain
questions in my mind. First, have you seen the professionally
prepared documentary on the history of Watts? I mention this
because there are references in there to a long history of
government programs to bring down any black power base,
especially in bringing down the Panthers. And, lo and behold,
there is related in this video about how someone, parties
unknown, left weapons out for all in the Watts ghetto to take.
In the first L.A. riot in the sixties they were left in white
vans. Just prior to the King riot they were left in boxcars (!)
on SP-owned sidings. [1] The documentary has this charge (about
the boxcars of weapons) being repeated by former U.N. Ambassador
Andrew Young. This would seem to corroborate what you are
writing.
Also, I have been told by a person whose name I can no longer
remember, and what with the only person I know who could tell me
the name on the run from our friendly government, I can no longer
verify the following: When the Waco siege was just under way
this guy got into the compound and interviewed several of the
Davidians (it may also be that he interviewed by phone, at this
point I'm not sure) and was told that one of the Davidians (the
Harvard-educated Black guy, I cannot remember his name) had
hacked into Pentagon and L.A.P.D. computers. The Pentagon files
revealed a list of weapons confiscated by the Israelis in the
Lebanon incursion (I'm not sure why they would have them except
that some of these weapons were eventually put into the hands of
the contras, as was reported in the NY Times about six months
after the Grenada invasion, where, I believe, these same weapons
were used to fill the warehouses for the photo-op session three
days later). They were able to hack the LAPD records of weapons
confiscated from crimes and came up with a number of matches to
the Pentagon records. I can only assume that, if this is indeed
true, that this would have been one of the reasons to so savagely
go after the Davidians. Have you heard any thing of this?
Again, it lines up with the revelations in your article.
Finally, I have talked with the editor of a local left-wing
magazine who related information she received from a prisoner
formerly in Pelican Bay. Apparently the prisoner, with not much
else to do, decided to do an FOIA request for any documents on
the Bloods or the Crips. In the letter to this editor was a copy
of a document from the FBI on an operation in the LA ghetto that
was given the acronym CRIPS, something like "community reources
in the private sector", that was to organize Black teenagers. My
friend has been sitting on this information for years and is
quite afraid of what may happen to anyone who would release this.
I can't say as I blame my friend. But this may be an avenue of
investigation you may want to pursue.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see where this all gets to; I
doubt very far. The people of this country are so asleep. Keep
up the good work.
(Name withheld by request)
---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
[1] In the 1960s, CIA ran a domestic operation called "Operation
CHAOS," which partly involved the placement of covert operators
into groups expressing dissent with U.S. government policies.
Some of these covert operators were federally funded, with the
money "filtered through Chicago Mayor Richard Daley's antipoverty
organization, and that the members included individuals from one
of Chicago's most feared street gangs -- the Blackstone Rangers."
(Source: *Orders To Kill* by William F. Pepper. ISBN:
0-7867-0253-2.)
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SECRETS OF THE L.A. RIOTS -- PART III
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[Editor's note: Fred Celeni (pronounced suh-LAN-ee) worked as a
federal intelligence agent, he says, for the office of U.S.
Congressman John D. Dingell. Celeni was interviewed for public
access television in Los Angeles, and that interview was later
re-broadcast on Sherman Skolnick's television program,
"Broadsides," in Chicago. Following is my own abbreviated
transcript of Celeni's remarks. (Possible spelling errors exist
and are not noted.)]
[...continued...]
-+- Hillary and the Meth Labs -+-
INTERVIEWER: Under what pretext were you, shall we say,
"suckered," into Little Rock?
FRED CELENI: The theory was we were going to be getting money
from the Glasgows that was going to go to Hillary Clinton. And
it concerned a methamphetamine operation. And the same
methamphetamine operation, the same people associated with it,
are directly related to a man by the name of David Hale, who is
now, supposedly, the government's star witness in this case
against McDougal and Hillary and Jim Guy Tucker.
INTERVIEWER: So you were going to set her up on some kind of a
drug deal?
FRED CELENI: No, just the opposite. What was happening was, we
were supposed to make her look like, kind of like, Nancy Reagan:
"Just say 'no' to drugs." Well, Hillary Clinton was going to
"reveal" this information about David Hale, and help the FBI and
the Marshalls arrest David Hale in a sting operation. The idea
was, was to stop David Hale.
You've got to remember what's important here. The day I got
arrested in Little Rock, an hour later I was standing in the
United States District Judge's court. (If I remember correctly,
his name was Forrester.) And I said, "Judge Forrester, I am an
officer of the federal government. I work for John Dingell, of
the Congressional Committee on Oversight Investigations. I have
complete immunity." I presented my immunity letter, the minute I
got arrested.
INTERVIEWER: How did the judge respond?
FRED CELENI: He told me, "You're not being held for this crime.
We're holding you as a parole violator." That's how they got
away with it.
INTERVIEWER: What do you think the purpose was, for them to
arrest you?
FRED CELENI: What had happened was, two days before, I had
called up Vince Foster. And I said, "Vince, why am I being told
to wind everything down?" He said, "Hey, basically the operation
is finished." He said, "We've got the election; the polls show
it. We're just wrapping things up." I said, "Well where is my
*quid pro quo*?" He said, "Well as soon as he's in the White
House, you're gonna get it." I said, "What am I gonna get?" He
said, "You're gonna get a pardon."
Well, Vince was correct: As soon as Clinton got in the White
House, I sure "got it," all right. But it wasn't a pardon. What
I got was an order, to Webster Hubbell, that said, "Fred Celeni
is to be kept incommunicado." When Prime Time Live, ABC News,
came to see me, they were not allowed in to see me. Based on
Hubbell's orders. When Dateline NBC came, they were not allowed
to see me. Based on Webster Hubbell's orders, as number 2 man at
the Justice Department.
INTERVIEWER: How do you know that the President ordered this?
FRED CELENI: It came out in a hearing, shortly before the trial,
where we went in and said, "Your honor, they're not allowing us
to talk to the media." And the judge said, "It's okay if Mr.
Hubbell wants him kept away from these channels, without direct
access, because Celeni can talk to them on the telephone. That's
not a denial of his First Amendment rights."
INTERVIEWER: Where were you in July of 1993? July the 19th, to
be precise.
FRED CELENI: I was on trial in Little Rock, Arkansas.
INTERVIEWER: And you were housed where?
FRED CELENI: At the North Little Rock Police Jail, I guess they
call it.
INTERVIEWER: You got a call from Washington, DC, on the night of
July 19th. Tell us about it.
FRED CELENI: I was brought out of my jail cell, into the
Sergeant's office. And they closed the doors and the man said,
"Here," handed me a telephone, pressed a button, and he walked
out of the room. And I said, "Hello?" And a female voice said,
"This is Fred Celeni?" And I said, "Yes, it is." And she said,
"This is the signals operator. Will you hold please?" And I
said, "Yes, I will." And about 30 to 45 seconds went by, and Mr.
Foster came on the line.
-+- Vince Foster Gets Made Horizontal -+-
INTERVIEWER: And what did you talk about?
FRED CELENI: We basically talked about the fact that I had been
writing to him and I had made a couple of phone calls. And I
asked for documentation, and I asked if he'd be willing to come
and testify in my behalf.
INTERVIEWER: And what did he say?
FRED CELENI: He said he was going to send some documents.
We got into talking about a lot of things. And he told me, he
said, "You know, I'm worried." And I said, "Why is that?" We
got to talking about the lawyer I had (Gregory Bryant), and he
told me Gregory Bryant was called "The Snake." He said, "Did
'The Snake' try to find out who 'The Rabbi' is?" I said, "Yeah,
he's been trying to find out."
[Then we talked further, and Foster said,] "I was told
yesterday that I'll be killed if any of this comes out." He
didn't use the word "killed"; he said, "I was told that I'll be
made horizontal." I said, "Who told you this?" He said, "Webb
Hubbell took me out yesterday. Webb said to me, 'Let me tell
you, Vince. This Celeni situation: if you don't shut your
f**king mouth,' he said, 'Buddy Young will make sure you're
horizontal.'"
INTERVIEWER: And what happened to Vince Foster the next day?
FRED CELENI: The next day, I came into court. I had no idea
what was going on. And Gregory Bryant said to me, "The Rabbi is
no more."
But what got me was, he knew it at 9:30 in the morning.
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INTERVIEWER: On the 20th?
FRED CELENI: On the 20th. Vince wasn't dead yet.
INTERVIEWER: So at 9:30 in the morning, on the 20th, your
attorney is saying, "The Rabbi is no more."
[...to be continued...]
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SECRETS OF THE L.A. RIOTS -- PART IV
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[Editor's note: Fred Celeni (pronounced suh-LAN-ee) worked as a
federal intelligence agent, he says, for the office of U.S.
Congressman John D. Dingell. Celeni was interviewed for public
access television in Los Angeles, and that interview was later
re-broadcast on Sherman Skolnick's television program,
"Broadsides," in Chicago. Following is my own abbreviated
transcript of Celeni's remarks. (Possible spelling errors exist
and are not noted.)]
[...continued...]
INTERVIEWER [continues]: We have another interesting situation.
In August of 1994, you got a call from your old friend and
cohort, Nathan Arnold, Jr. What did he tell you?
FRED CELENI: He said that he needed some advice. I said, "Why?"
He said that a couple of months ago they had been involved in a
situation where Mark Fuhrman had gone off. I said, "What do you
mean?" He said, "The same thing as McCullough." And I started
laughing. And I said, "I hope you didn't leave your fingerprint
on the door knob again." (Because during this McCullough murder,
they left their fingerprint on the latch that shuts the lock on
the front door.)
INTERVIEWER: Tell us some details about that McCullough murder.
FRED CELENI: The McCullough murder was an intelligence operation
for narcotics. These guys were involved: Mark Fuhrman, Tom
Lange, and Nathan Arnold, Jr. During the course of an
interrogation of an old woman in Santa Monica, it got out of
control. And this old woman had her head cut off, with a knife.
And this knife was a very large Bowie knife. And Mr. Arnold was
well-known for carrying this Bowie knife.
If you look at the murder book (a murder book is a file, with
all the pictures and information of a homicide) of the McCullough
murder, and take a look at the murder book of Nicole Simpson, you
can switch the photographs and it will be the same murder.
INTERVIEWER: Did Arnold ever admit to you that he had killed
Nicole Simpson?
FRED CELENI: Yes, he did.
INTERVIEWER: What else did he tell you?
FRED CELENI: He indicated that they were following up on
information for a woman named Faye Resnick. And Faye Resnick had
been arrested in Las Vegas about a year before, by the Metro Task
Force there along with the DEA. Possession of cocaine and
possession of hashish.
INTERVIEWER: Was Faye Resnick a renowned sniffer?
FRED CELENI: Faye Resnick is a renowned freak. She sniffs
cocaine; she sniffs dirty underwear. She sleeps with boys,
girls, dogs, farm animals. Faye Resnick is a very strange piece
of work. And that's a well-known fact.
-+- Video of the Ron & Nicole Murder -+-
And that evening, they had gone over to the house; there were
four people: Tom Lange, Mark Fuhrman, Nathan Arnold, Jr., and
another man, in a truck.
Now the truck that they used was a Bronco truck. The
difference is that it didn't have a tire pit on the back. But
what happened was, in the course of the investigation, Nicole got
out of hand. Her dress was pulled down (she was wearing a
slip/nightie kind of dress), and some words got said. She said
to Nathan Arnold, "You niggers like to see white women's tits."
He slapped her. She fell back, onto a couch. And just as he
went for her, they got a call on the radio that said that someone
was coming in the front gate. And Mr. Lange was waiting outside.
Mr. Fuhrman and Nathan Arnold were inside.
They then proceeded out of the house. At this point, as they
come out the front door, the truck has a dash-mounted video
camera. And you can see on the tape (it's in black-and-white;
there's no sound), you see her start down the steps. He's
standing behind her, holding his arm around her.
INTERVIEWER: Nathan Arnold's holding Nicole?
FRED CELENI: Correct.
And they go down the steps and disappear behind a bush or a
tree.
INTERVIEWER: You've =seen= the video?
FRED CELENI: I've seen it on one occasion.
What happened was, you see a scuffle. You can see a bald(?)
individual because the light from the windows is hitting his
head. And he's fighting with somebody. You can't tell who that
somebody is...
INTERVIEWER: You've got to presume it's Ron Goldman.
FRED CELENI: You have to presume that.
And this individual goes down. You then see Mr. Arnold come
back and take her by the hair, and pull her and slice her.
INTERVIEWER: Is Goldman killed first?
FRED CELENI: Mr. Goldman died first.
INTERVIEWER: Who killed him?
FRED CELENI: Well the estimation, if you watch the tape, is that
it was Tom Lange and Nathan Arnold. My guess is that it would be
Nathan Arnold, and the reason I say that is because of the knife
wounds.
INTERVIEWER: How can Nathan Arnold be holding Nicole and cutting
Ron's head off at the same time?
FRED CELENI: What happened was, as they came down the stairs, he
put her into Fuhrman's arms. And Fuhrman locked his arms around
her.
You've got to see Nathan Arnold. Nathan Arnold (and I don't
mean this in a racial way) is a gorilla. He is 6 foot 6. He has
shoulders out to here, arms that are as big as your legs. He is
a =big= son-of-a-gun. And if he hits you, one swipe with
=anything=, he's gonna bring you down.
And you've got to understand that all this action, the entire
videotape, lasts no more than a minute.
INTERVIEWER: So when Ron Goldman is killed, what does Nicole do?
Is she screaming?
FRED CELENI: You can't see her; she's behind an obstruction.
INTERVIEWER: Did Nathan tell you that she was screaming?
FRED CELENI: No, what he said was that she was basically in
shock.
And the FBI has that videotape.
INTERVIEWER: You assume then that Nicole Simpson was murdered
because she witnessed a murder?
FRED CELENI: I don't think that they ever meant to kill anybody.
I think it was just something that got out of hand.
If you talk to Nathan, Nathan tells this story. You've got to
understand cop pride. Assuming that Mr. Goldman is who's in that
video: first of all, he got the best of them, it's as simple as
that. Apparently what happened is, as he came through the gate
he had his back to wherever Lange was standing. And as Lange
came forward, according to what I've been told he did not
identify himself as a police officer. So Goldman thought it was
a mugging.
-+- Frame-Up of O.J. Simpson -+-
INTERVIEWER: Nathan Arnold, in August 1994, two months after the
murder, told you some more details about a frame-up of O.J.
Simpson.
FRED CELENI: What happened was, they went to O.J. Simpson's
property. Now if you listen to the limousine driver, he
describes a large, black male coming over a fence. Well the
large, black male is not O.J. Simpson; the large, black male is
Nathan Arnold, Jr. That's who came over the fence. But he was
inside that house.
INTERVIEWER: Nathan has admitted this to you?
FRED CELENI: Correct.
He was inside that house at the time Simpson came home.
(Simpson was at a fast food restaurant.) Simpson had nothing to
do with that murder.
INTERVIEWER: How did Simpson get in his house, then, without the
limo driver seeing him?
FRED CELENI: He came in the other gate. There's two gates: a
front gate and a side gate. And the limo driver (if you pay
attention to the limo driver's story), he got back in the car.
He wasn't paying attention to everything that went on.
INTERVIEWER: Did Nathan Arnold explain at all the "thump, thump,
thump" heard by Kato Kaelin?
FRED CELENI: No, we never really got into that subject. But
according to [an FBI source], here's what he says. He says that
Fuhrman was so out of control that, his hair was sticking out, he
was running around like a madman. So I'm gonna guess who the
"thump, thump, thump" is. But you have to know Mark Fuhrman in
order to understand the events of that night.
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